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Oh well 13 December 2019

Well, we're fucked then.

If I didn't have a house, spouse, friends, and lots of stuff, I'd have left by now. This is not a country I want to live in. Nowhere's perfect, but some of them are trying to get better rather than bending over for the looters.

There may be less posting for a bit.

  1. Posted by Michael Cule at 10:54am on 13 December 2019

    There is a fair amount of bending going on in both the US and the UK just now.

    I don't know where I'd flee to if I had the means to flee. There may be no 'place of greater safety'.

    At ;east Chris and her merry comrades cut into Steve Baker's majority a bit.

    Hi Ho. I come on this website to be cheered up you know...

  2. Posted by RogerBW (Little Ray of Sunshine) at 10:59am on 13 December 2019

    Scotland if they get their act together, but they're still a bit prone to religious dictatorship. The Isle of Man is used to bending over for rich people and is better able to manage it. Ireland isn't Five Eyes and is doing a pretty good job. Germany is a bit riskier. New Zealand is still Five Eyes but otherwise a very good bet.

  3. Posted by John Dallman at 01:06pm on 13 December 2019

    I'm torn between Scotland and Ireland as a choice. Scotland has easier travel which is both its up- and down-sides.

  4. Posted by RogerBW at 01:14pm on 13 December 2019

    Scotland needs to get its act together to separate before too much more damage is done, and I'm not convinced it will. If it does, sure; but then there's all the pain of its application to the EU and the currency changeover (while the pound continues to decline in value).

  5. Posted by Owen Smith at 02:09pm on 13 December 2019

    My parents are very happy with the result. So that will be another Christmas we'll have to completely avoid discussing politics. My dad is still maintaining Boris won't make us bend over and take it from the US (or whoever).

  6. Posted by Chris Bell at 02:16pm on 13 December 2019

    At the moment you can move to Scotland without any problem; the same may shortly cease to be true of Ireland unless you have proveable Irish ancestry.

  7. Posted by RogerBW at 02:17pm on 13 December 2019

    It is at times like this that I am very glad I am not the sort of person who drinks when feeling low. That would cause a whole extra layer of problems.

    I generally try to avoid television and newspapers (I am prone enough to mild depression without them) but I note that whenever I've seen any in the last couple of months, or heard people talking about them, there's been a constant undercurrent of "of course the Conservatives are going to win, there's nothing you can do about it". I don't think this can be healthy.

  8. Posted by RogerBW at 02:21pm on 13 December 2019


    Since we cannot now establish legal residency before the end of January, it would be a matter of my applying for an Employment Permit.

    Or of course we could divorce each other and marry Irish citizens.

  9. Posted by John Dallman at 09:09pm on 13 December 2019

    After an afternoon of demonstrating, yet again, that Microsoft are careless, I'm feeling a little more cheerful. Fie on the Labour and LibDem parties, who failed to talk about the issue that everyone knew mattered most. The Tories were the only ones in that game, with a clear and simple, if quite untrue message.

    Clear and simple beats truth in the short term, but is much less effective when people have time to see what is happening. The Tories will take themselves down, just as they did in 1995-7, but given the resounding lack of talent they're deploying, they'll hopefully do it faster. This time, it's vital to make sure that the Conservative and Unionist party comes to an end.

    We survived Thatcher. We can survive this.

  10. Posted by RogerBW at 09:15pm on 13 December 2019

    The LibDems, at least as I was aware of them, were utterly clear about their policy on the big issue. And it didn't help them much, though it certainly robbed some votes from Labour who shamefully equivocated about it. If the two had proposed an alliance pre-election this nonsense could have been ended; as it is, the next blow against this country will now be struck at the end of January, and it'll be damned hard work to recover from it. I don't think that'll happen in my lifetime.

    The Conservatives have had four years of blatant self-interest already, and they've now got the biggest majority since the 1980s. I assume that people who vote for them think they'll get a share of what's stolen from Those People, though you'd think they'd notice by now that they never do.

  11. Posted by John Dallman at 10:37pm on 13 December 2019

    The LibDem policy was also politically unrealistic. The only way to reverse the referendum that would have had political legitimacy was another referendum.

    I suspect the policy was seen as an "elite want to ignore us!" issue, and could certainly have been spun that way. I say this as someone who voted LibDem, and had real hope that Cambridge would fall to them.

  12. Posted by Michael Cule at 07:20pm on 14 December 2019

    The LibDems increased their vote by a third and lost ten seats.

    The Tories gained 1.2% and gained sixty some seats.

    I am not letting this get me down, honest.

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